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What’s your approach to engagement when you have to sell?

Three things caught my eye this week:

  1. This video (click here). Watch it but if it bores you go to the 3:00 mark and listen. You will hear an incredible phrase.
  2. Danny Brown posted a killer article on his blog today. If you don’t know him now’s your chance. His ideas and writing, specifically on the topic of how we are influenced as an on-line culture, always keep me thinking about how the internet affects how we work.
  3. TheJackB another one of those great bloggers who is becoming one of my go to guys wrote a spectacular article about social media and the core of its being. Go see what the core is.

Now, you may say to yourself, so what?

You may not be active in social media and thereby may question how this article may even relate to you.

Well, I cited these three examples because they deal directly with the idea of selling. And, surprise my friend, no matter what you do, you have to sell.

So, here’s my take on those examples.

The first is a video directly about selling and geared toward offering insight about aligning business strategy and sales. The key thing about this video while not overt but obvious is that people deal better with people through face to face interaction. “In the field”. The idea reinforced here is that many strategies fail because they neglect aligning what happens naturally out in the field and rely too heavily on leadership being behind a desk.

The second discusses the difference between the “influencer” and the “instigator”. Semantics maybe but the important theme in this article is the idea that influence has been measured by numbers alone and is reactionary to metrics based on the fluctuation of numbers. The ying to that yang, and yes I believe they are related, is that the success factors of business may be shifting to the instigator. The person who will show opposing sides of an argument, debate the validity of a product, idea or precept and heaven forbid take a stand. Why is this important? Because it’s about opinion, thought and conversation. The only way that can happen is though engagement.

This leads me to the third. Mr. Jack Steiner who so eloquently said that the only thing in social media that matters is the people. Hell, without people there would be no social media.

BUT

And if you have been here often enough you know there’s always a butt of one type of another sitting around waiting for an opportunity to pounce.

Back to the topic at hand.

Selling.

Now, I am not a sales guy at heart but in the industry I work there is a strong necessity to always be looking for an opportunity to sell. Probably like most but for some reason in the A+D world it permeates all levels of responsibility.

Now, I happen to agree with Jack, Danny and all the other great bloggers out there that when you are building or representing a brand on-line you can’t simply be a slave to the numbers. You have to engage people. The trick that the really good brand advocates, marketers, sales oriented people or internet entrepreneurs do is engage people without really pushing them to buy. They see the opportunity to offer their knowledge to help their customers form their own opinions and are there to help them along the way. Is it passive? Maybe but you can bet that’s not the ONLY thing they are doing to get business. No one hangs their hat on one strategy. To me, engagement is an example and a relevant one.

Hey, I am not here to argue the merits and strategies to brand engagement on the internet.

It’s not my bailiwick.

But I do have to sell. Just like you. That’s why this stuff interests me.

Where do we spend most of our time?

Unfortunately, in front of a computer. At least I do. Interaction is part of my job and it is the way most forms of business communication happen these days. Yeah, sure I am mobile but let’s face it, like me, most of you are not that up to speed that we can be as productive as we are at out desk. The thing is with the A+D industry we have to sell our ideas and the real influence happens across a table in the old school analog form of communication. We pitch. Let’s face it; the world is still largely reliant on the idea of interaction in real time with people in front of you. It’s the way things get understood. We can express our passion, ideas and thoughts in a way that the virtual world may get to but will never be able to emulate in the same way.

After a year of blogging (I know it’s not a long time), I have not yet been able to get the same impact as when I can see, hear and really talk with someone directly; face to face.

The HBR video at the beginning of this post opines that deals are made out there in the world and not behind a desk.

Now, there are many sides to selling and a one sided argument is not what I am getting at here. Sure you need both to really reach your market. Click here to read an excellent approach to an on-line strategy to engage clients and customers. What you may realize is that this approach is truly social and that’s what the HBR video is getting at just in a different way.

We are, after all, talking about engaging people here, right?

That has to be the key to each approach; virtual or real. I think the thing that the virtual world helps us to reinforce is that networking is difficult no matter what approach you take and that you have to work hard to build relationships. The same goes for the real world and it’s just as challenging. Neither will allow you to commoditize the people you are selling to no matter how you dress it up.

So, we know that we need both.

Without the precept of social media we cannot reach as many people and without real face to face interaction it is so much harder to close the deal. We just have to remember that even though social media can bring us massive exposure that the people at the other end of the screen have not changed in any way that will allow you to treat them like commodities and expect to have them engage with you.

When you feel like you have been heard how does that make you feel?

What about when someone calls you when you have an issue or have purchased a product? In a very non-affiliate way this is exactly how Aweber Communications has made me feel. That’s right! When I signed up a guy called me to thank me for buying their service and ask if I had any questions.

Personally.

Now that’s cool.

I felt special. Small things but it’s huge because I am not just another sale to these guys. That taught me a huge lesson.

  • Thanks to the HBR for their great content. It is KING!
  • Thanks to Danny Brown for telling it like it is.
  • Thanks to Jack Steiner for being real.

And I want to give a special thanks to someone out there who knows how to sell because they see people for what they really are.

Individuals.

 

 

 

 

Now it’s your turn.

What do you think about you role in on-line engagement and its relationship to the real world?

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ArleenH 8 pts

I think the best approach is listening. So many of us try to push our ideas onto others that we do not hear what they are saying. Building a relationship with something in common or empathy also works. I have been selling most of my life. I would say for over 40 years. I would not say I am incredible but I am creditable. People want someone that they can believe it, and will not take advantage of them. Bottom line is being Honest and you will build trust. A good closing line is. Do you agree?

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

 rudee Wow! Dug into the archives I see. Thanks! I do agree, honesty is the best policy especially if you're selling something. Thanks for the comment.

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ginidietrich 10359 pts

When I realized I had to do business development if I wanted my little fledgling firm to grow, I kind of panicked. I had this vision in my head of becoming a slimy used car salesman. It took me a few hours, but I realized selling is not that awful visual we have in our heads. It's all about listening, engaging, and asking the right questions. When you put it that way, it doesn't seem so daunting. 

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rdopping 1099 pts moderator

Hey  ginidietrich , great advice for sure. Thanks. My wife has told me the same thing. She’s one smart lady. One approach she mentioned is tell them that you need their help to solve their problems. Listening is a good, good approach almost more than asking the right questions. Really for me it is about the people and that you center your approach on face to face interaction. That’s why I chose your example of creating webinars in the post. Real interaction. Very very cool.

Hajra 806 pts

I really don't know how to sell. But I am good at building relationships. Maybe that is the shrink in me who knows how to talk my way through. The key is to brand yourself as someone the buyer will trust and for that you have to be true to what you believe and what you are conveying. Once you are true to yourself, you will be true to your brand and image and the selling will rock! :) 

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

 Hajra  I completely agree! That's yet another point of view that I know but don't think about. Being true to yourself is huge. When I think about it if you are true to yourself then your confidence will shine through effortlessly. This also happens when you know your stuff. It is amazing how people can read right through the BS, isn't it?

 

You know, the customer service approach is one thing that is so relevant here too. The fact that you engage and respond, helping your customers without expectations, as Jill Tooley and CrossBetsy mentioned is part of the brand that builds trust. In a big way.

 

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your ideas here. Love it!

Jill T 26 pts

I'll be honest with you, Ralph... I suck at selling.

 

I used to cross sell at an old job, and I hated every second of it. No matter how I worded the pitch, I felt like a slimeball who was preying on people's weaknesses. It just doesn't fit with my personality type! However, I can relate to what you've said about offering knowledge to help people find answers. I try to stay as objective as possible; research is my cup of tea, not selling. If my answer happens to guide someone in the direction of my company, then so be it. But if not, I'm certainly not going to waste time trying to force it. Square peg, round hole... I'm in this for the relationships, not the dollar signs. :)

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

 Jill Tooley I hear you! You're approach makes total sense even though it's something that I have not considered before (the not seeling piece). The approach of offering knowledge  to help people find answers is why we are riding this particular train anyway. I really like the notion that in helping someone it might lead to them working with you. That seems to be the holy grail of blogging in some circles.

 

Thanks for stopping in. Appreciated.

CrossBetsy 129 pts

I LOVE to sell. But I'm a slow and steady, relationship-building salesman. The other night, while working with a woman on family history for the 4th night in 2 weeks I up-sold her by comparing 2 products, one being better suited to her needs. She already had one version of a product, we'd created a relationship where she trusted me. I told her what she needed and she agreed. So fun! The thing is I didn't care if she bought or not. But I do care about HER. Were friends now. And she knows that. 

Same as everything else. People can tell when you really care...especially when they DON'T buy something from you, or read your posts, or do anything for you and you show up anyways. Right?

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

@CrossBetsy thanks. Right? Absolutely. The fact that someone takes the time out of their schedule to visit shows that they care. I think it's fantastic when you can offer someone services that you think will suit them well simply because they do and not because you want to get more from them. It's quite clear that you care about your customers and if they become a friend, well, even better. Good to see you. Enjoy your Sunday.

KDillabough 1824 pts

We all want to feel special, cared for and cared about. If every person, in business and in life simply remembered this, and treated others in that way, life would be the proverbial bowl of cherries. Cheers, and Happy Canada Day! Kaarina

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

Thanks @KDillabough I like cherries. If life was just like that it would be great. I suppose the best we can do is do our best to do that part ourselves and not worry about the other guy. Like @craimcbreen suggested this past week; lead by example. This is a critical step to life becoming a bowl of cherries. Hope you are enjoying you long weekend and Happy Canada Day.

KDillabough 1824 pts

 rdopping  KDillabough  craimcbreen Happy Canada Day to you too:) Check out my FB Wall to see the cool Molson's beer national anthem. Fun and creative!

TheJackB 2022 pts

Thank you for the mention kind sir. Selling is a part of all that we do, one way or another we are always selling ourselves. But as you mentioned the most important part is trying to retain the human side. If you can connect with that other man/woman on a human level things tend to be much smoother.

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rdopping 1099 pts moderator

@TheJackB and we keep it real. Being real is a big deal. In this space it is so tough to really get to know someone. I suppose that's why people find other ways to interact and learn from each other. A little off topic but still the case for me. Thanks for coming over. I don't spend as much time visiting as I should which also is a big factor to getting to know someone better. When we sell we really need to be present and present value. Sporadic involvement just won't cut it, right?

bdorman264 2669 pts

The networking part is the most fun for me and probably comes too easily. I can be the 'fun' guy but I also have to be somewhat purposeful in my efforts as well.

 

My 'ideal' customer is very specifically defined, I am not trying to appeal to the masses. We will only have success if we are knee to knee, peer to peer in those first meetings when we determine if this will be a good fit for either one of us. Fortunately, most of the relationships if they come to fruition, are relatively lucrative. The other good thing, it is not a 'one-time' sell; we expect the relationship to last on avg 7-10 years, meaning as long as I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing I will be getting paid.

 

Can social help me; probably from an identity standpoint but I know it will never make a sale for me.

 

At least in my world and my model, it's all about the people.

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

@bdorman264 Right. It is all about the people. So, I do have a question for you. Do you think any of your customer base will ever experience your social life here? I ask because I have read a bit about personal brand and the influence it may have on perception. The fact that your digital signature remains visible forever makes me wonder about what I put it there. Hey; you never know someone might recommend you if they feel like you can be trusted. A lot of folks would certainly think so. Have good Sunday. Shot an 88 yesterday.....:-)

rdopping 1099 pts moderator

Great example DannyBrown  You are welcome and thank you on the look. Appreciated. Now, I just have to figure out my own cyclone so people realize that I don't suck so bad...hardee har. Have a good one!

Danny Brown 3851 pts

The best sales examples I've seen are the ones that compare products without you realizing they're being compared. Dyson vacuum cleaners show the benefits of the cyclone, and instantly make you think bag suction is bad.

 

Get that type of selling going for you, and you've hit the golden nugget.

 

Cheers for the shout, sir, and liking the new look!

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